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05 Aug 06 Pardon Me for a Moment

No offense to my emergent friends, but I’m starting to grow weary of all your diatribes about how the Church has failed in its calling.  Tell me true – is there nothing good to say about the church?  I know that it is a good thing to bring shortcomings and weaknesses to the forefront of everyone’s attention.  It’s the only way to make sure those things get fixed. 

But I also know that it’s good practice to highlight the things that continue to be done right.  All gloom and doom all the time only makes people frustrated and depressed.  Calling to light only the bad things makes folks just want to throw up their hands and say, “Well, then, what’s the point in even trying?” And it puts a sour taste in our mouth for those of us who are in churches that are doing things right. 

Is the church perfect?  Of course not.  It’s composed of imperfect people.  And yes, there are a lot of churches out there that don’t really have any idea how far off the mark they’ve gotten.  I guess I’m just tired of reading the same bits of holier-than-thou garbage from so many Christians leveled at their brethren.  Are we not supposed to be of one mind, one body, and one spirit here?  Do you not see how your constant dogging of Christian shortcomings is actually contributing to the problems and divisions in the church?  Do you not see that we are all part of the problem, even as we are trying to fix it?

I’ve been gradually shortening my Christian blogroll over the last couple of weeks (and there are a couple of more that are dangerously close to being removed today) exactly because I’m sick of reading the same tripe from so many place.  I’m sorry to have to do this; I think a lot of these people do have good and intelligent things to say and add to the discussion.  But there is a lot of negativity, as well, and I’ve found that it hinders and hampers my own spiritual walk and causes me to be negative toward them, as well. 

Folks, there’s more to fixing the church than talking and complaining about it.  Yes, the web is a great place to share ideas, to talk and sound off, to try to figure things out.  It expands the discussion to an unbelievably large audience.  But here’s the real question – are you actually doing anything about it?  Are you actually involved in your local church voicing your concerns to the pastors and deacons and elders and members?  Or are you just sitting in your dark little corner pouting and moping because nobody will listen to you?  And if you are, what kind of Christian does that make you?  What does it make me?

Just had to get that off my chest…

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28 Jun 06 Ever At Odds

I’ve been grappling with my feelings about an ongoing conversations I’ve been watching for the past few days.  Long-time readers of this site know that I strive to always be respectful of the beliefs and opinions of everyone who comes here, even when those opinions are very different from my own.  As a result I have won some unlikely friends and subscribers, and we have had some lively and engaging discussions, as a result.  What I have struggled with lately is the debate between three particular groups that seems to have soured all parties involved.

I believe that apologetics are important.  Generally, when one thinks of apologetics, they think of the formal defense of the Christian faith, but technically anyone who engages in the formal defense of their faith, whether they believe in God or not, is engaging in apologetics.  The reason that I believe apologetics are important is because I think it is crucial that a person know what it is they believe and the fundamental reasons behind that knowledge.  I mean, how else can a person stand on their faith and beliefs if they do not know the ‘why’ of said beliefs?

I’ve been watching a virtual apologetic slug-fest for a few days now.  The three groups I have seen thus far are: 1) atheists intent on breaking down the Christian faith by showing its logical leaps and fallacies; 2) Christians reacting to said atheist arguments; and 3) other Christians in conflict with the former group of Christians over various issues, including the proper approach to apologetics and whether apologetics are even necessary.  What I see is a lot of sarcasm, cynicism, and derision; snide remarks, caustic questions, and critical allegations.  What I see is a debate that is merely spinning its wheels in the mud, with any headway in the argument being completely stalled because everyone is pushing against each other in a reactionary manner rather than working and talking together to gain a better understanding of one another and of Truth.  As you might imagine, it’s frustrating to watch.  I’ve been tempted to chime in a time or two, add my own viewpoint and perspective, but I really wonder if it would even make a difference.  I think it probably would not, and so I have not.

I’m all for firmly standing on what one believes.  I don’t like dealing with wishy-washy people1, so I have a great deal of respect for an individual who knows what he believes and can back that belief up with reasonable, rational arguments.2 What I can’t abide is that same individual having a condescending and arrogant attitude about his beliefs, arguing with you about your beliefs simply for the sake of having conflict and with no intention of coming to an understanding with each other.

It’s difficult to determine attitude on the Internet.  All we have are words to read.  There is little to no inflection added to indicate tone or soften a seemingly harsh turn of phrase.  So, something that reads like sarcasm or arrogance may not actually be so.  Yet given enough time with the dialogue, one should be able to pick up from the response of the opposing party that one’s own words are being taken as sarcastic and arrogant, and one should then make an effort to couch one’s words from that point onward in softer language that conveys respect and humility.  It’s tough, I know, but it’s well worth the effort in the longrun and greater strides are made at mutually beneficial discussion. 

I’m watching harsh words be flung about haphazardly, words that contain bitterness and cold resentment, words that strike out with anger, and I think to myself, This ought not be.  But I am helpless to do anything about it. 

My faith is important to me, and it is important to me to be able to defend it to those who might call it into question.  But I find it unreasonable to defend it with sarcasm and arrogance because in doing so, I validate the point of my challenger and forever turn him or her off to the message of Hope that I carry with me.  Why do so few see the damaging affect that their words have on the hearts and minds of others?  And when faced with the truth of what their words do, why do they then shrug that revelation off so that they may continue as before? 

Hard are men’s hearts and blind are men’s eyes when they are confronted by Truth yet do not recognize nor heed it. 

To all who come here, to all who read my words, know that you are welcome here and that you are welcome to present and discuss your beliefs in this forum.  I cannot do anything about the others who do not seem to be truly open to discussion, but I can continue to assure that this will be a place of sanctuary, where people are free to believe as they will and are free to talk about their beliefs without animosity or rancor.  I welcome you with arms wide open and hope that you will choose to stay awhile.

  1. So, when I’m wishy-washy about something because I don’t completely what I believe myself, I’m usually pretty frustated with myself.[back]
  2. And yes, even statements of faith can be rational, contrary to what some might tell you.[back]

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20 Jun 06 Paths of Viewpoint

Interesting.  Rob pointed me at a link for a Christian philosophy blog that endeavors to address some deep philsophical arguments coming out of at least one corner of the atheistic community.  At this point I’ve read only the three entries at the top of the page, but in just the few moments in which I have done this, I’ve followed a link-path that has illuminated what is, to me, an intriguing juxtaposition of viewpoints and reactions.

1) Rob sees Steve as being full of himself.  I see Steve simply as knowing what he believes so well that he is able to defend his beliefs very eloquently from a philosophical viewpoint.

2) Both Steve and John Loftus (whom Steve has been going head-to-head with lately) see each other as taking snippets of the others’ arguments and presenting them out of context and in so doing twisting the arguments to put words in each others’ mouths.

3) John has added an entry to his blog (shared with several other authors) ranting about how some people on the web are “poison[ing] the well.” I’m sure he had Steve in mind when he wrote that, particularly since John left a comment on his site today.  What I find interesting is that John wrote that rant on his own site, then neglected to disallow the option for anyone to comment or leave feedback.

As I said, interesting.  Both Steve and John just got added to my blogroll and daily reading list.  I’ve always enjoyed good philosophical discussion and being prompted to think deeply on some of the weightier matters of life and faith.  I think I’ll follow both these men for a little while and see what takes place in their discussions.  Heck, I may even opt to contribute, and I’m sure there will probably be fodder for writing some things of my own here.

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12 Jun 06 Give Me Simplicity

There are many times during the course of my immersion into the realms of science fiction and fantasy, whether it be reading books, watching shows or movies, etc., when I wish that I could experience aspects of those cultures first-hand.  For instance, in the short-lived show Firefly, two cultures merged into one when humanity abandoned Earth.  The predominant world superpowers at that time were the United States and China.  So, when new worlds were terraformed and then populated by Earth’s refugees, it wasn’t long before most inhabitants of this new solar system were bi-lingual, speaking English primarily but switching over to Mandarin in moments of high emotion.

In Stephen Lawhead’s Pendragon cycle, the culture of Britain in the early days after Jesu left his mark on the world was rich with history, symbolism, and faith.  The mere image of the cross was enough to spark strong emotional and behavioral reactions in the followers of the Great Light, of the one True God.  You can believe that nothing in their faith was taken for granted.

What it comes down to is this – I see in many Americans a shallowness that borders on being depressing.  I don’t believe it always used to be this way.  Early on in our nation’s history, national pride was treasured, cherished.  It was important to be known as an American, important enough to die for, as many did.  Today it seems that so many of our citizens are almost ashamed to be called Americans, thinking that to claim such is to be pretentious and arrogant in the eyes of the world.  We are becoming American in name only, with so many having no concept of the pride that goes with being called such.

So, too, in our churches and in our faith.  We are becoming Christian in name only, and that often only barely.  Cultural shallowness has begun to penetrate our minds, our hearts, our churches so that our ministries become less effective, less robust.  As both Americans and as Christians, we are losing our culture, those elements that root us in what we are and in what we believe.  The cross of Christ has become less of an integral, necessary part of our belief system and more of a digitized placeholder of faith whereupon we look and remark in a distracted manner about how important it is to our faith.

A recent email conversation among some friends has addressed this topic from the perspective of the church’s affluence.  The problem posed at the outset of the discussion is that of the presence of “fancy buildings… sound systems, and the musical instruments, and the hundreds of different colors of papers, and the power point programs, and twenty children’s programs and all associated materials.” These are all things that most of our churches today seem to think they require in order to function and minister effectively.  We seem to require that our auditoriums be air conditioned and that crying children be removed from the service, that the drums not be played too loudly (or at all) and that the pastor have the appropriate level of pious humility if we are to be expected to worship at all.1

There are several things that I believe have contributed to the current state of affairs in our churches.  The first is that the increased development of technology has pushed the pace of culture into hypersonic speeds.  Information and data travel at a breakneck rate nowadays, and most of us have noticed that life has moved into not just the fast lane but into the ultra-fast lane.  We have less time now than we ever did, and what free time we have we fill with activities that are, essentially, needless.  We are constantly inundated with more and more information that we must sort through and process, and as a result we have become detached from those things that are truly important, things like God, faith, and family.  This is contributor number one to the shallowness of culture.

The second contributor is the shift toward post-modern philosophy.  Truth is no longer what it once was.  It has become an ethereal entity that cannot be grasped.  Indeed, truth has become little more than a vapor, a thing that is seen – and then only just barely – before it is caught up by the wind and blown away.  We try to clasp it in our hands so that we may know it, yet it slips through our fingers and goes on its merry way, leaving us wondering if it was ever real to begin with.  This is the way popular culture sees truth today, as an insubstantial, ever-changing entity that is unique to each individual.  Truth has many faces, so that it may look different to each individual who views it, even changing in form to a single person depending on the circumstances surrounding its pursuit.  We are continually losing the notion that truth is, in fact, static and stable, never-changing, steady throughout the ages.  The Enemy attacks the idea of absolute truth because those who do not believe in it are merely sheep to be led to the slaughter.  The disappearance of absolute truth has contributed to the shallowness of culture and the loss of those things which are most important.  Now what is most important is determined by each person privately and may look vastly different from what is most important to the next person.

The third contributor has already been mentioned – the affluence of culture.  As another contributor to the conversation stated, it seems that “the more STUFF we have around us, the more FAITH we need.” I do not believe that this is just limited to material possessions, either.  I have watched as men fill their heads with more and more knowledge and ‘facts’, information that they learn and catalogue.  In so doing they see less and less of God’s presence in the world and in creation and less need for something outside of themselves to provide truth and to make sense of those things that happen that we simply cannot explain.  We are an affluent culture, both in the things we own and in the things we know.  The more things we have, the more we become distracted by them and the less we see a need for God.  It is the things that then become important because we must maintain them, maintain a certain way of life, maintain traditions that we have become comfortable with and that continue to make us comfortable.  The things take a place of higher precedence, usurping God and pushing faith into the background.  We continue to believe that we have faith, but all we are really left with is a dependency upon things that, when taken from us, cause us to come crashing down because, in pushing faith aside, we have struck our own foundation out from under ourselves.  The acquisition and collection of things contributes to a shallow culture and a faith that is sorely taken for granted.  Things are temporal; faith is not, yet we seem to have gotten the two in reverse.

I find myself yearning after some of the things I read in my fiction, not as a substitute for my faith but as a return to a simpler way of doing things, a way that eliminates so many of our distractions and restores a richness to culture and to faith that has been lost in today’s hustle and bustle of activity.  I think perhaps what most appeals to me about Chinese culture, in some ways, is the richness of it, the legacy of history that inspires millions to both national pride and devotion (though even that is being lost as Western culture invades the Chinese borders).  There is a power within a national legacy that the cultures of both America and American Christianity seem to lack.  We have become shallow people, abhoring and rejecting that which is most important in favor of pursuing those things that are most important to us, our selfish and narcissistic ideals.  That is what our culture has told us is important, to what and to seek out that which we want, rather than what our Creator God deems important.

A return to simplicity is needed, I think, in order to return us to our roots, so that we may find again the awe of our faith and the power of God in our lives.  I believe that the icons of our faith can once again become powerful, no longer taken for granted as just another pretty picture on a wall or a decorative item to be viewed and then dismissed.  I also think that simplicity can be communicable, a contagion that can spread through the Church and returning it to a place where the important things are remembered and the unimportant set aside and forgotten. 

Yet, I think in order for that to happen, simplicity must first take place within each one of us separately, as we extract those things in our lives that prevent us making the most of the time we have here in this life – the possessions that demand our interest, the activities that require our time, the pursuit of more knowledge and facts that only serve to distract from serving our Lord.  It is in the doing and living that makes the most impact on others, that demonstrates that we do not, in actuality, require most of the things we cling to with such ferocity, that we can really be happy and content with less.  It is not, and will not, be an easy process, no.  But I think more and more that it is a necessary one if we as a Church in America wish to again be salt and light in our culture.  We do not yet see that we need less because we are blinded by our own affluence, but there are Christians in many other countries who pray that Christians in America will face the persecution that strips away all the unnecessary things so that we will once again remember Who it is we serve and remember again what business it is we are to be about.

Less is more.  Jesus knew this.  It is why he taught time and again that for any man to follow Him, he must first give up all he had and then follow Him.  Would that we should remember that.

  1. Email correspondence[back]

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01 Jun 06 Pros and Cons

connexions » Blog Archive » Zealots and Corpses

Kim over at connexions has an interesting article that I’d like to expand a bit upon by asking a few simple questions (though the answers may prove to be far from simple):

If you had to choose between associating with liberal or fundamentalist/conservative Christians, which group would you choose and why?

For extra credit:

What do liberal Christians tend to believe?  What do fundamentalist Christians tend to believe?  And what are the pros and the cons – whether it be behavior, belief, or practice – of each group?

I hear a lot of discussion about liberal versus fundamentalist Christians with very little description of what details actually distinguish the two groups from one another.  So I’d like to explore this topic a little bit, get a little bit of a feel for what people’s conceptions are when they think of each group. 

Ready.  Set.  Go!

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12 May 06 Relating to the Powers-That-Be

My Bible study from a couple of days ago wanted me to write out what I have learned about submission from a series of verses.  This was the second one on the list.

^5^Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 
Romans 13:5

There wasn’t much to go on there.  The ‘therefore’ indicated that there was an entire discussion prior to this verse and that this phrase was simply the conclusion.  Additionally, because I read the verse alone, ‘because of conscience’ left me wondering exactly what Paul was talking about.  Context is always critical in the exposition of Scripture, so I backed up a few verses to the beginning of this thought.

^1^Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. ^2^Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. ^3^For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. ^4^For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. ^5^Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 
Romans 13:1-5

Now, this passage clearly indicates that all authorities in all governments the world over are put into place by God Himself.  There is no leader that has his position that God has not willed to have that place of prominence.  Therefore, rebellion against these authorities is also direct rebellion against God.  In rebelling against our leaders, we are, in essence, shaking our collective fists at God and saying that His choice of a leader for us was bad.

What I find interesting about this passage is the statement that doing what is right will reap a commendation from the one in authority, where doing wrong will reap only terror.  Now, granted, this is not always the case.  Sometimes doing the right thing will, in fact, earn us an undesirable result, but I do know of stories where someone did the right thing, even under a merciless dictator, and was rewarded for doing so.  The principle applies – doing the right thing will usually earn the respect of those in charge.

I do think that this passage supports the notion that we get the leaders we deserve.  I think of a country like Iraq, burdened for so long under the cruel government of a murdering dictator.  Or Iran, with their continual problems with harsh leaders.  This begs the question – would an entire nation that serves a god other than Jehovah naturally find themselves governed by ruthless leaders? Is that why Iran continues to have problems with bloodthirsty authorities?  Another question then – would we, as a nation, then be wrong or unjust to interfere with what God has established by removing these leaders from power?  Or would that, too, be in God’s will, either by providing a new, hopefully better leadership (i.e. democratic government) or by instituting an equally ruthless dictator (i.e. putting Saddam in power)?  Either way it goes, I believe that it still works out in God’s will.  He still provides the leadership that the people deserve, for however long that may be.

Ultimately, the admonition is clear and still relevant to today – we submit to God’s appointed authorities, whether they be political, religious, or social, so that we might avoid His judgment but also because it is the only right thing to do.  He placed them where they are for our benefit, and as such we are to obey them.

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12 May 06 Sharing

I’ve started working my way through the 24-week Walk of Repentance Bible study that I mentioned a couple of days ago.  Steve Gallagher said, during the Men of Purity conference this past weekend, that the surest way for men to guarantee victory from sexual sin is to spend some time in the Word every day.  He said that after six months there would be a noticeable difference in attitude, behavior, and sensitivity to sin and a stronger relationship with God.  Daily devotions is something that I have struggled to do the last three or four years.  I was very consistent during college, but then once I was out from that atmosphere, it became much more difficult to walk consistently.  And I’ve felt the struggle increase as a result.  So, I’m using this study to get myself back into the Word on a daily basis and to refocus my mind on the things of God.  I expect that I will be sharing some of the things I am learning as I walk through this study.

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09 May 06 Belligerance

Christians can be so hard-nosed and bull-headed sometimes about returning to fellowship with Christ.  I know – I’m one of the worst offenders in this regard.  You can see a brother or sister in the faith struggling to win out over temptation and sin or simply walking in it, regardless of the consequences.  You can plead and urge and cajole, and still they will not be moved.  Their choices, their actions, their decisions can inflict deep pain on those they love and do great damage to the cause of Christ, and still they will not be shaken from their lifestyle of sin.  And then one day, it all changes suddenly, and they fall on their face before Almighty God, repent, and return to the fold, leaving those who pleaded with them for so long in confusion as to what finally made the difference.

Part of the answer to this question is that the individual must want to change and must want it enough to be open to answers and to facing their own inward ugliness.  It’s one thing to want to change just a little bit, yet still not actually change because you have not yet come to the end of yourself, have not yet completely hit bottom.  And it’s one thing to want to change enough to start making changes but then quit when the going gets rough because you are not relying fully (or even partially) on the power of God to work.

I have a theory about another part of this answer, and you can tell me what you think about it.  I think that part of this, maybe even the biggest part of it is that some of these people have not yet encountered something that fully meets their need.  For instance, say that a particular believer has fallen into habitual sin.  This individual desires a life-altering change and has, in fact, attempted to change at several points in the recent past.  This individual has been unwilling or unable to completely yield control of their life to God, for whatever reason, and has had trouble letting go of the sinful indulges they have been seeking out.  Yet, this individual is miserable and wants something to change.  In short, this individual feels stuck, unable to move forward in their spiritual walk.  This individual also knows all the Scripture verses that apply to their situation, has heard all the traditional responses by church folk, such as “Give it God,” “Get on your knees and pray for forgiveness and God will rescue you from your sin,” “Get some good biblical counseling; that’ll help,” and countless other bits of wisdom.  This individual tries all these things at some point or another and yet sees no change in their heart or their life. 

Then this individual encounters something new.  Maybe it’s a personal encounter with a friend or a respected elder.  It could be a seminar that presents truth in a different light.  It could be a song that speaks powerfully into this individual’s situation.  Whatever it is, it speaks directly to this individual’s need, to the emptiness in their own heart, to the longing that the individual tried to fulfill in their pursuit of sin.  It is the sort of thing that might tell them something they already knew but through an entirely fresh, new, and clean perspective that addresses the longing of their heart exactly and completely.  This, then, makes all the difference in the individual’s life.  It is like being able to get a cold, crisp drink of water when you have been dying of thirst.  It’s like a cool breeze that suddenly springs up on a scorching summer day.  It soothes the burning itch, the searing passion, the smoldering need in that individual’s heart that nothing to this point has been able to quench or satisfy.  It is, in fact, the Holy Spirit’s arrival via this unique message at exactly the right moment in this individual’s life when they are ready to receive it.  It is the combination of the seeker seeking1, the heart softening, and the message arriving at the right time and in exactly the right way to meet the innermost need of the individual.  It is a wholly beautiful event that brings the lost lamb back into the fold and imbues the lost-now-found one with an excitement, energy, and richness of faith that was once thought lost forever.

Some Christians never experience this, choosing rather to follow their own desires2 or endlessly pursuing solutions that never fully or completely speak to their need.  To some extent I think that the Church’s lackadaisical attitudes these days has contributed to the problem of lost sheep who cannot find their way back to the fold.  We have carved out too many cookie-cutter answers that allow us to keep our distance from other people rather than getting intimately involved in the lives of our brothers and sisters and tailoring answers to their needs that speak powerfully to their hearts.  I can only hope that we will soon shake ourselves of this indifference and begin to do more to minister into the lives of our brethren than we have in recent days.  I cannot do anything about anyone else, but I know that I will strive to shake free of my own indifference and aloofness and allow Christ to speak powerfully through this vessel.  May it ever be so.

  1. and yes, I believe that even Christians can be seekers, albeit of a different kind.[back]
  2. at which point one has to question whether or not they were ever truly a follower of Christ to begin with.[back]

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09 May 06 Rich Theology

At the Men of Purity conference over the weekend, we sang this song.1 I love the words, love the music, love the richness of theology described herein.  Take a moment to reflect on the words and to think about what they mean.  I don’t know how anyone can read, hear, or sing these words and not fall in love with Jesus all over again.

In Christ Alone
by Stuart Townend and Keith Getty © 2002

In Christ alone my hope is found
He is my light, my strength, my song
This Cornerstone, this solid ground
Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace
When fears are stilled, when strivings cease
My Comforter, my All in All
Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh
Fullness of God in helpless babe
This gift of love and righteousness
Scorned by the ones He came to save
‘Til on that cross as Jesus died
The wrath of God was satisfied
For every sin on Him was laid
Here in the death of Christ I live

There in the ground His body lay
Light of the world by darkness slain
Then bursting forth in glorious Day
Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory
Sin’s curse has lost its grip on me
For I am His and He is mine
Bought with the precious blood of Christ

No guilt in life, no fear in death
This is the power of Christ in me
From life’s first cry to final breath
Jesus commands my destiny
No power of hell, no scheme of man
Can ever pluck me from His hand
‘til He returns or calls me home
Here in the power of Christ I’ll stand

  1. There’s nothing quite so powerful and spiritually moving as hearing 800 men singing worship songs together.[back]

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05 May 06 It’ll Kill Ya’!

Complacency.  It’s the thing that the emergent church is trying to get away from and it’s the thing that stagnant churches don’t realize they have a problem with.  What I see here are two ends of an extreme – one end loud with their proclamations that the church is outdated and needs to undergo a top-to-bottom overhaul, and the other even louder in their silence.  What I see are new and continuing divisions as more and more Christians break away from fellowship.  What I see are arguments and conflicts and problems with Christian relationships. 

Where are the voices of those in the middle, people like me who see what the emergent church is striving for and who also see the perspective of those on the other side?  People who recognize that many of our churches have problems but that just as many do not?  People who recognize that many Christians in America have become complacent and are content to stagnate right where they are, being fat and happy, while other Christians are rebelling against that mindset and seeking a more living, vibrant relationship with our God?  Where are those voices?

I think most of them are probably doing much of what I have been – sitting back and watching as the emergents struggle to figure out whatever it is they are figuring out while quietly working within our established churches to urge people out of their complacency.  I don’t pretend to have it all figured out – I think that a lot of the things the emergent folks are doing are good ideas, even though I don’t agree with all of their philosophies.  I also think that the church structure, when applied biblically, is a very good thing and works exceptionally well, and thus the church structure should not be discarded out of hand. 

I’m frustrated with the emergent folks who insist that the modern church as it stands today will die and cease to exist within the next 100 years, being replaced some a postmodern church (ironically enough, one that will have a structure all its own).  But I’m also frustrated with the church folks who insist that the emergents are all wet and should be criticized harshly at every opportunity. 

Essentially, it’s the same complaint I always have – no one really wants to listen to anyone else.  No one wants to admit that they might be wrong, so they ignore and dismiss every other argument with casual disdain and disinterest.  Why can’t we all just work together to revive the church?  I don’t believe the church is outdated or outmoded, but neither do I think it is living up to its full service potential for Christ.  I think we can all learn a thing or three from each other, if only we would just listen.

Here ends my ranting and complaining.  It’s been a long week….

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