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	<title>Comments on: Presuppositionalism, Science, and Faith</title>
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	<description>Trapped within my own mind</description>
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		<title>By: Writer&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Riposte: Christians for Sanity</title>
		<link>http://shamuswrites.com/2007/01/26/presuppositionalism-science-and-faith/#comment-10819</link>
		<dc:creator>Writer&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Riposte: Christians for Sanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but you simply can't tell me all this around us came about by accident, not even by citing the 2nd law of thermodynamics at me. I recognize the value of science and acknowledge its importance. But I don't believe that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but you simply can&#8217;t tell me all this around us came about by accident, not even by citing the 2nd law of thermodynamics at me. I recognize the value of science and acknowledge its importance. But I don&#8217;t believe that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://shamuswrites.com/2007/01/26/presuppositionalism-science-and-faith/#comment-10698</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of self-organization is all well and good - I can see how this process works in established systems that already exist and function together.  I have to wonder, though, if such a system could ever get itself going in a place where _everything_ is in a state of entropy and chaos.  Would such just _naturally_ assume a state of self-organization, especially considering that in such a system, what is natural _is_ a state of chaos and entropy?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of self-organization is all well and good &#8211; I can see how this process works in established systems that already exist and function together.&nbsp; I have to wonder, though, if such a system could ever get itself going in a place where <em>everything</em> is in a state of entropy and chaos.&nbsp; Would such just <em>naturally</em> assume a state of self-organization, especially considering that in such a system, what is natural <em>is</em> a state of chaos and entropy?&nbsp; </p>
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		<title>By: Writer&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rational/Emotional Logic</title>
		<link>http://shamuswrites.com/2007/01/26/presuppositionalism-science-and-faith/#comment-10697</link>
		<dc:creator>Writer&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Rational/Emotional Logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his way through a problem area, using critical thinking as his primary tool. He works from a set of presuppositions based on those bits of knowledge he already possesses and has been able to fit together, leaving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his way through a problem area, using critical thinking as his primary tool. He works from a set of presuppositions based on those bits of knowledge he already possesses and has been able to fit together, leaving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://shamuswrites.com/2007/01/26/presuppositionalism-science-and-faith/#comment-10675</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 02:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to do some reading. Not understanding the 2nd law of thermodynamics is also not a proof of the existence of god.

"Self-organization vs. entropy

The idea of self-organization challenges an earlier paradigm of ever-decreasing order which was based on a philosophical generalization from the second law of thermodynamics in statistical thermodynamics where entropy is envisioned as a measure of the statistical "disorder" at a microstate level. However, at the microscopic or local level, the two need not be in contradiction: it is possible for a system to reduce its entropy by transferring it to its environment."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organisation#Self-organization_vs._entropy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to do some reading. Not understanding the 2nd law of thermodynamics is also not a proof of the existence of god.</p>
<p>&#8220;Self-organization vs. entropy</p>
<p>The idea of self-organization challenges an earlier paradigm of ever-decreasing order which was based on a philosophical generalization from the second law of thermodynamics in statistical thermodynamics where entropy is envisioned as a measure of the statistical &#8220;disorder&#8221; at a microstate level. However, at the microscopic or local level, the two need not be in contradiction: it is possible for a system to reduce its entropy by transferring it to its environment.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organisation#Self-organization_vs._entropy" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/en.wikipedia.org');" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organisation#Self-organization_vs._entropy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://shamuswrites.com/2007/01/26/presuppositionalism-science-and-faith/#comment-10612</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this comment over on reddit.org:

&lt;i&gt;

Since when did lack of imagination become a rational argument?

"I just find it impossible to think that chaos at the beginning of time could have somehow found its way into some sense of organization that just naturally progressed over billions and billions of years to what we have now."

Evolution is a set of testable hypotheses which slowly gains more and more credibility as evidence accumulates. You basically state that the whole notion is beyond your feeble brain, so it can't possibly be true. Do you understand how the CPU on your computer works? If not, you'd better stop believing in it and shut it off right now!
&lt;/i&gt;

My point was not a lack of imagination but more a point on the natural state of the universe - chaos does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; move toward a state of order.  It's quite the opposite, in fact - order always moves toward a state of chaos.  So, proposing that the universe originated from a state of chaos is completely irrational and illogical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this comment over on reddit.org:</p>
<p><i></i></p>
<p>Since when did lack of imagination become a rational argument?</p>
<p>&#8220;I just find it impossible to think that chaos at the beginning of time could have somehow found its way into some sense of organization that just naturally progressed over billions and billions of years to what we have now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Evolution is a set of testable hypotheses which slowly gains more and more credibility as evidence accumulates. You basically state that the whole notion is beyond your feeble brain, so it can&#8217;t possibly be true. Do you understand how the CPU on your computer works? If not, you&#8217;d better stop believing in it and shut it off right now!
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<p>My point was not a lack of imagination but more a point on the natural state of the universe &#8211; chaos does <i>not</i> move toward a state of order.&nbsp; It&#8217;s quite the opposite, in fact &#8211; order always moves toward a state of chaos.&nbsp; So, proposing that the universe originated from a state of chaos is completely irrational and illogical.</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://shamuswrites.com/2007/01/26/presuppositionalism-science-and-faith/#comment-10610</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, i like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, i like it.</p>
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